Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? Hello. A possible solution for potential buyers looking to sample the work of sellers, would be for sellers to have their free sample models at a low minimal price instead of free. Our "power struggles" with Turbosquid stopped the moment Matt Wisdom banned our account and we stoped doing business, however that doesn't alter our will to expose this kind of business practices. It doesn't matter if the printing industry is growing fast. That's just an easy question to answer 1. Payment Method Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. Dear adentonclark, In fact I hope that once buyers begin to see the difference in quality on this site they will jump ship but the thing that still trips up CGTrader is the consumer confidence. rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, max blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, City People x500 Static Poses Lowpoly ArchViz, 20x LOW POLY CASUAL ELEGANT SITTING WOMAN MAN PEOPLE CROWD, Naked Fitness Blonde Woman with Tied Hair, max c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max. According to me ,in the future, more a 3DMarketplace will be open more it will take to success. New content is not provided to the on "Turbo" site. [http://www.google.com|google11] (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. No frankly, it's a bloody mystery. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, Of course, as CGT reputation grows, this may change in the future (CGTrader has already beaten The3Dstudio in terms of statistics, but you also have to take into account that there are certainly a very significant amount of people coming here for 3D-printing only, which decreases the statistics in terms of regular CG models). Although in the beginning that meant the loss of a big part of income (being Turbosquid the biggest 3D content reseller), after just a few adjustment months from that specific point our sales in ALL the other marketplaces started to grow up to a point where we don't miss any income from the missing Turbosquid sales anymore, while 90% of "customer problems" suddenly disappeared. If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). All because of search. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. They will be very enlightening and useful to you especially if you have never built 3D models and don't know what to expect. I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. Best of luck to cg trader, they have a great business model and site, it is just going to be incredibly difficult to take any of the market share from such a well established company. And it offers a more strategic dimension. They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. video services, 3D viewers, social media , crowd funding platforms, etc.) Site issues? No, I don't think it's just about SEO. Brittney For some people with experience that did the math taking all factors in count (not talking about just NoneCG, of course) it was crystal clear since many years ago. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com, https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, https://www.facebook.com/ActiveKetoGummiesAustraliaWebsite. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. For example, make affiliation partnerships between people/storeowners possible. I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. Think about your future: We've been doing business with Turbosquid for more than 10 years until our very public issues last year: http://www.nonecg.com/turbosquid/turbosquid_nonecg.htm. 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png Money rules! found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. All that time that we didn't have to spent dealing with Turbosquid bad support went to more time for artistic work. I'm done with them. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. And saying only nice words won't help them much. But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. This way we let buyers know that cgtrader got some interesting stuff. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. Regards, Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. @dafunk @S/C. I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. I'm really happy to see CGTrader growing. But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, Realistic Human Body Basemesh - UVMapped - Rigged, CARTOON MAN AND WOMAN - TOON MOTHER AND FATHER, Worker Mining Safety Female - Bella - Harness, Naked Fitness Blonde Woman with Tied Hair. However, the use is allowed if the MMO is a closed MMO, like World of Warcraft. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. The same goes for student projects. If they can sell on craigslist, amazon, ebay, walmart, target, toysrus etc Of course they would only sell the 3D printable toys there, either to be printed or already printed then yes all of a sudden 3D printing would be come more relavant and profitable. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. And precisely here is where I think resides the greater problem. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. The age of 3D models is over and people have moved on to 3D printing. I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. ,,The only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job,,?? I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. Some points for and against. Blendswap.com5. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. this issue frequently occurs when a seller wants to break a competitor. . - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. --GENERAL--. In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. 5. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. We even stopped publishing new models there. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. I'm suggesting a collective of store owners. We all agree that CGT is the better site and needs to win the fight but we all need to reach out to the really influential people and make sure they start promoting the site or we won't win. Don't know if it's already mentioned in this thread, but in TS you have a refund system, when customer buyed your product has ability to bring back his money and it'll subracted from your earnings, if he doesn't like a model for some reason. I like the concept of CGtrader very much, hope to see the duality issues resolved. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! I think this computer graphics industry just needs a well known and established hub specific to our profession, and one that is being run with good core principals like we see it here on CGt. - Explaining on a personal basis to certain designers, even under banning threat, that creating very basic objects afters tutorials and selling them for 10$ with comments like : "my best model ever" will only hamper CGTrader credibility ; also that taking a poser or DAZ model, posing it (or even rigging it) in another software and adding a few details to it is still an obvious copyright infringements, if not a simple steal That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. It is a shame that cg trader has so few people using it but turbosquid has been going for some time now and is very well established. For example, I ran into this this morning. i think they both have there place . Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. still turbosquid has the most paying clients. Fantasy is a bit better, but sic-fi gets me 10 copyright infringements on the first page alone (star wars characters, mainly). The longing to justice is something that cannot be eradicated, the hole of human history shows that clearly. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same: If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. Machines have already replaced people making their jobs irrelevant in many fields already more and more customer service jobs have become automated, many store sales positions now are not needed because so much is being done online, the tolls on the highways now only use fast track or you get a letter in the mail telling you to pay it because there is no one in the booth anymore so you can't pay it on the road. Advertising? Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. Prices are only guaranteed at the time of the creation of this document. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? TurboSquid be avoided guys! We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? I don't know if Turbo Squid allows licence ownership to be transferred as i never got that far with them. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" My initial stance on this was, ok fine then my Ts account can stay up for those few that seemingly do not know anything ells outside of Ts. I have noticed that a lot of artists are moving to Asia to find jobs where they are far better respected and paid what they are worth. TS has more sales because : It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. Hell, I even remember writing years ago to Matt Wisdom (TS Founder & CEO), Beau Perschall (VP of Business Dev) and other people at the management staff about the "no-brainer" choice for sellers regarding going exclusive into the "Squid Guild" or not, because after a group of sellers collected our stats and compared our earnings (for similar periods of time being exclusive and not) all of us ended with the clear conclusion that we were losing revenue being exclusive to TS instead of selling in all markets no single answer was received from any TS management staff member. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. Anyway, there is still some ocasional Turbosquid fanboy that bashes CGtrader and promotes Turbosquid in public forums and social media while writes this in TS forums at the same time: https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney.